HD: one feels big, giant sometimes. Everything is going nice. Sometimes when you feel sad, you reduce yourself and even get under a mouse hole or want to become an ant. In that sense, the psychological aspect of the person plays a little. But, it’s like a migrant would feel, in this case, the Gulliver is no longer the original story, but a Latinx who crossed the border -because we are on this side- and that’s what it would represent, this character looks like he’s falling or like he’s trying to get up. Everyone can decide if it is falling backward tied or if it is trying to incorporate, it depends on each one. There I play with the barbed wire, unlike the original story where he is tied with a rope, in this case, it is barbed wire because that represents the border. He defines him as a migrant who had to cross and who has no papers, a whole series of things that are happening to him. The one that society does not accept. How is he going to integrate into society? if he does not have the opportunity to find a job he will end up on the street? without eating or if nobody helps him and he does not know how to adapt to the environment… he will end up as a homeless? Maybe it’s a person who is lying in a vacant lot, but someone took a very close picture and saw him as a giant and in the end, he’s in Chicago. He came to work because it is the illusion of all of us who come from there, but in Chicago, all the factories have disappeared, they are no longer here and they left empty spaces, that is why they are now building housing. In that sense, I play with the fact that there are many aspects here, which I am reflecting on this same character. For example, how are we going to help someone who does not have papers, if you do not help them you tie them and if you help them you help them to integrate into society. We are going to put pressure on politicians to pass the amnesty law and that way migrants are gonna be integrated into society. Pay taxes, any migrant pays taxes otherwise we could not live here. Maybe there is someone who doesn’t, but the big companies do not pay taxes either and many have their traps with lawyers or pay the same, now with the presidential changes. All this has to do with helping him to incorporate or not to society. That’s when you feel giant or you feel an ant. But the ants are hard workers, right?

I: As you have told me all about Gulliver, an interesting question is: someone who has different opinions (…)